Curse

Myria · Nov 10, 2006, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by Viruzzz

whoever wins HoH the most holds favor. everyone has the same chance. it only takes 8 people to do it

Six, not eight, and frankly that makes no sense. If winning HoH allowed the winners (and/or their guild and/or alliance) into UW/FoW it might, but instead it's a matter of, say, me and my team winning HoH (as if) so people I have no connection to, other than happening to be one of 350mil people living on the same continent, can go into UW/FoW. Why would the gods of Tyria give a rodent's rectum about what continent I live in?

Beyond the inherent lunacy of making PVE content dependant on PVP, the sheer lack of any reasonable connection between winning HoH and UW/FoW access makes the whole thing depressingly asbsurd.

Myria · Nov 10, 2006, 02:51 PM // 14:51

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Originally Posted by Tetris L

KurtTheBehemoth: In the early days of GW it was America that dominated the HoH, and Europe had favor much less often, let alone Korea. I didn't see Americans demand that the system shall be changed back then, did I!?

Yes, you did, at least you did if you were reading these boards at the time. This is not a new discussion by any stretch of the imagination and Americans are hardly Johnny-come-latelys to the anti-Favor table.

Myria · Nov 10, 2006, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by Vandal2k6

But Korea, Japan etc have never complained and have favour less than everyone else so this still affects them.

Few Korean or Japanese GW players venture onto these boards, for obvious reasons. They have their own boards where, I suspect, this subject has also been beaten into the dust, then beaten some more.

I would not make the assumption that they have never complained just because you don't see them doing it here.

Cador · Nov 10, 2006, 02:57 PM // 14:57

I switched to europe for pvp and never lagged Kakumei

Sniper22 · Nov 10, 2006, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Actually, i thought the favor system was flawed since the beginning. Kinda sucks for europe cause they never had it. Now they have it like 24/7. America might get a few hours of favor, but thats at like 10 or 11 pm est. Most American pvpers don't really care about winning back the favor because it doesn't effect them, they just go to the internation districts which is mainly european. Sure we could all switch to european servers but still....

natuxatu · Nov 10, 2006, 03:03 PM // 15:03

I'm just thinking outloud here...

Maybe they could have have the first 5min or so of every hour allows anyone in before the battle for favor begins...

Maybe they could have a weekend event that opens it up to all players giving hte HoHs a break.

Maybe you could do a quest that would give you the blessing of the god for x amount of time even if your country doesn't have favor.

Those are my thoughts... either way it doesn't effect me as I hardly go there but I can understand people's frustration. Good luck~

Nightzirk · Nov 10, 2006, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth

I paid for FoW, and UW content. Now I can't ever access it.

you did not pay for them! you paid for the OPPORTUNITY to be good enough to reach those areas, be that through pvp or not. It's the same thing as saying: "I bought this game to win, and I dont...this game sucks".

the problem seems to me to be the difference between the standards of players from Europe and the from America. Only when playing with americans (except from a few dutch "episodes") have I encountered people using drugs while playing, Me/e FC meteor showers with 10 fire magic, and monks insisting to use gale...I'm not saying there arent good pvp'ers from America, it's just that the majority of players from America seems to be pretty...(I'm Norwegian and can't come up with a word to illustrate my thoughts) get a team, hold the HoH, and go to fow or uw when you lose...pvp is a part of the game and a part of the accessibility of fow and uw, so if you want to go there, then earn it!

Gun Pierson · Nov 10, 2006, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by Avarre

This is a discussion of the Favor system. Any more inane posts on the topic of racism or PvE vs PvP and this thread will be closed.

I can't believe what I'm reading here. It's part of the whole discussion. I hate to break your bubble but here are the facts:

- The favor system is based on PVP play, PVE content (uw and fow) opens for the continent that has favor of the gods. What's inane about this fact? It's the way it is. And it's a contradiction.

- People 'curse' players from other parts of the world that have favor. Do I need to back this up with screenshots so it wouldn't be 'inane' to you?

These facts are reasons why the favor system should be changed and thus completely on topic.

Blackhawk · Nov 10, 2006, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by Gli

The favor system is perfect...

... as an example of how ANet doesn't understand their player base.

The ones really into HoH couldn't give a rodent's rectum who gets to go into the UW or Fow, while the ones most interested in playing those areas couldn't be bothered to go play HoH if their lives depended on it. Yet the two activities are tied together in a nonsensical relationship where one is dependent on the other.

It accomplishes nothing except to cause all kinds of absurd complications.

European servers are awash with expatriates. Americans, and many asians that can't communicate with the locals at all. Has anyone ever put on local chat while in ToA? It's horrible mess of insults and extreme nationalist and even racist sentiments. ANet is actively encouraging that in their game with their 'world at war' nonsense.

Agreed, and the amount of Americans (theres a few regulars I've noticed) that suddenly pop up in the Euro ToA districts as soon as America gets favor and start shouting insults and are basically trying to start an argument because it appears to me that thats pretty much all these people play the game for is ridiculous and also hints that they may just be locked on a Euro server

I think it shouldn't be PvP related as most PvP players I know arent really that bothered about going UW/FoW anyway, perhaps a challenge mission which rewards a key or something along those lines for the PvE only people.

Tetris L · Nov 10, 2006, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by Myria

Yes, you did, at least you did if you were reading these boards at the time. This is not a new discussion by any stretch of the imagination and Americans are hardly Johnny-come-latelys to the anti-Favor table.

I did read these boards at the time, and I did see a lot of Europeans complain, but rarely did I see an American concur. The vast majority told the Europeans to "stop whining". The standard reply was something along the lines of: "If you can't handle it, go play WoW."

Avarre · Nov 10, 2006, 03:43 PM // 15:43

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

I can't believe what I'm reading here. It's part of the whole discussion. I hate to break your bubble but here are the facts

Hence the reason I stated 'inane' (useless) posts. Turning this into an argument over racism is not the point of this thread.

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

- The favor system is based on PVP play, PVE content (uw and fow) opens for the continent that has favor of the gods. What's inane about this fact? It's the way it is. And it's a contradiction.

Thank you for telling me a very basic fact of the game. It's not inane, and it's not what I was referring to. Threads such as these have appeared before, many times. Typically, they descend into country-versus-country forumbattles rather than coherent discussion. Since this thread is still fairly devoid of that, it's still open.

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

- People 'curse' players from other parts of the world that have favor. Do I need to back this up with screenshots so it wouldn't be 'inane' to you?

No. Are you saying that because people do it in-game, it would be 'right' to curse other races in this thread? Re-read my post, the discussion of racism pertaining to the favor system isn't a problem, as it's part of the issue. Irrelevant posts about the nature of racism, on the other hand, lead nowhere.

Clone · Nov 10, 2006, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by Nightzirk

you did not pay for them! you paid for the OPPORTUNITY to be good enough to reach those areas, be that through pvp or not. It's the same thing as saying: "I bought this game to win, and I dont...this game sucks".

If you buy a game, it isn't unreasonable to expect access to its content. The argument that people shouldn't be magically able to go to abadon's mouth either or whatnot is a red hering. People aren't saying that entrance to these areas shouldn't be earned. They're saying that the act of earning it shouldn't be in a completely different part of the game. You have to be ascended in the first place, and no one here has asked for that restriction to be removed because it makes sense. They've not asked for the fee to be removed. They've even proposed paying more! Secondly, it isn't as if this is some area that you have to be "good enough to reach." As it stands now, its only an annoying matter of waiting around. As for the "Then go PVP argument," I've said before, there are some players who like both PvP and PvE and some that greatly prefer one over the other and there's nothing wrong with that. Of the people in my alliance that want to go do halls every night, most of them care less about going to the underworld or doing anything in PvE in general.

Gun Pierson · Nov 10, 2006, 04:15 PM // 16:15

@ avarre: Ok thank you for clearing that up, I understand what you mean now. People shouldn't curse other races ingame nor on this board and it would be a shame if this thread would be closed due to that. My sincere apologies I took your message wrong.

samcobra · Nov 10, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10

This game is about balancing pve with pvp. If you're a pve person and find that you do not have favour enough in your territory, take it upon yourself to motivate people, get groups together and win halls for your country. Do not bitch and moan about the system. It is there because it encourages a sense of locality in a worldwide MMO. Also, when you buy this game, it is understood that some content will be restricted, as in anygame. You dont expect to pick up GTA: San Andreas and fly off in a military helicopter as soon as you start off. There are investments to be made in every game to access new content. That is what keeps it fresh and exciting. The investment in Guild Wars to access the content in the realm of the gods is to have your nation win the hall of heroes. It is not a very difficult task. I and many others have done it several times. Find the motivation in yourself to do it.

EDIT: nerf fire eles imo

Kakumei · Nov 10, 2006, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Clone

If you buy a game, it isn't unreasonable to expect access to its content. The argument that people shouldn't be magically able to go to abadon's mouth either or whatnot is a red hering. People aren't saying that entrance to these areas shouldn't be earned. They're saying that the act of earning it shouldn't be in a completely different part of the game. You have to be ascended in the first place, and no one here has asked for that restriction to be removed because it makes sense. They've not asked for the fee to be removed. They've even proposed paying more! Secondly, it isn't as if this is some area that you have to be "good enough to reach." As it stands now, its only an annoying matter of waiting around. As for the "Then go PVP argument," I've said before, there are some players who like both PvP and PvE and some that greatly prefer one over the other and there's nothing wrong with that. Of the people in my alliance that want to go do halls every night, most of them care less about going to the underworld or doing anything in PvE in general.

Clone summed it up pretty well. Odd, as I rarely agree with him.

The idea that someone you've never met happening to be successful in a part of the game completely unrelated to this content actually controls your access to that content is ludicrous.

Yichi · Nov 10, 2006, 07:29 PM // 19:29

Aparently people need a reminder here.

The way Guild Wars was origionally designed was that a person would play through the PVE storyline to unlock items, runes, and skills usable for the pvp content. in which said player would venture into heros ascent and join a random team (of 7 other players at the time), there they would fight against other players for the right to win the favor of the gods for their country aka server. by doing this it allowed access to higher end "Specialty" areas as a reward for that country aka server having the favor of the gods. Said player would then make a group of friends that he or she gets along with and are skilled as a group. then said players would form a guild and purchase a guild hall using the sigil won from the halls chest. said guild would then go against other guilds formed this way to determine how they rank against other guilds.

Rinse and repeat per player.

The favor system is not flawed and is not working falsely. it is working as intended according to the game mechanic that this game was designed on. It does not take a rocket scientist to see that this is how the game was designed and set up to be this way.

Now say that you care for the PVE only aspect of it. well then you are forced to rely on others that play the game through the progression that is listed above. Most of the top american guilds have progressed through this. Most of the top guilds started as Tombs/Heros Ascent players and progressed to gvg after getting whatever rank they desired and made the proper contacts to have a group of skilled players to be able to participate in top Guild vs Guild combat as the natural flow of the game was designed. Mh, Te, Rifts, QQ, aW, as well as many many many others i cannto name off the top of my head started this way.

Months ago when america did have favor much more often is when a lot of the now top ranked gvg players were playing in tombs/HA and winning. These people earned their fame by competing and comming up with origional builds and tactics. Then IWAY, Bloodspike, etc... was introduced and americans seemed to jump on the bandwagon of gimmick builds as a quick way of trying to win. rather than taking a look at whats out there and trying to figure out a counter, well well just go in again and try once more. So these people after seeing gimmick after gimmick and build after build of terrible players that can only play one build or character in a build, that have no awareness of battlefield tactics or observation of a build as to why it works and why it doesnt, gradually migrated away from Tombs/HA and gravitated towards Guild vs Guild combat with other top ranked players and teams. Thus in a nutshell is why america doesnt have favor anymore. We have teams going in that are looking for the next UB3R holding buildzor like bloodspike that can earn them everything for as little as possible.

Which goes to the point of the whole thread and many threads on here. Lets not work for anything the way were supposed too, lets have someone hand everything to us.

Gli · Nov 10, 2006, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

...lets have someone hand everything to us.

Oh yes, and lets absolutely repeat this non-sequitur over and over again. I get a real kick out of people not getting the point.

Also, everyone knows the story you just told, why post that? We're discussing whether or not it needs to be changed.

Such a huge pointless post.

Yichi · Nov 10, 2006, 09:12 PM // 21:12

if you actually read the post it justifies why it doesnt need to be changed. see where i posted "The mechanic is working as intended according to the games design" and yes the tiny section that you posted which was the sum of the entire paragraph above it, is half the problem of everyone wanting the favor system being changed.

but however it seems that 3/4 of people including you ARE missing the point. and by copying the section that you did and your reply to it, was nothing but just a mere trolling suggesting that you DID miss the point all together.

The whole point is simple. The way the favor system is set up, it is working just fine. so because there is a lack of HA players in American servers right now, they should rework one of the features of the game which it was designed around?

fatmouse · Nov 10, 2006, 11:55 PM // 23:55

Just because something is working as intended doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed and no discussion allowed. There's a million and one things that worked as intended but anet have one day changed.

Gigashadow · Nov 11, 2006, 12:07 AM // 00:07

Just because you paid for a game, it doesn't mean you get to have everything in it and access everything in it, with no effort on your part. If it did, people in mmorpgs would all be walking around in the best gear in the game on day 1 because they "paid for it". Work ethic is sadly lacking in kids these days.